A few days after Labor Day I got to talk with NBA legend Shaquille O’Neal for the second time. As always, Shaq was friendly and he’s one of the most chill people you’ll ever get to meet.

Certainly, since retiring from the NBA a decade ago, Shaq has stayed keenly in the public eye. And not only as a pitchman for major consumer brands—but also as an investor, entrepreneur and philanthropist.

In our September 2021 interview for Forbes, he said that being down-to-earth is much more important, in his mind, than being famous or even successful.

“You’re always asked in terms of legacy how you want to be remembered,” the Hall of Fame center said, over our Zoom meeting. “And it’s simple. I want people to say Shaq was a nice guy. And I am a nice guy.”

You can read the full text over at Forbes.